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One Republican Thinks You're Getting a 'Free Ride' on Your Income Taxes

Jim Edgar tells Reboot Illinois that tax hikes, program cuts and leadership are desperately needed in Springfield. And Pat Quinn brings you Squeezy the Python.

With Democrats now holding a supermajority in the Illinois House and Senate as well as the governor's office, one might suppose a Democratic agenda would be a slam dunk in Springfield.

As recent years have shown, however, single-party control doesn't guarantee the wheels of government grind smoothly.

And former Gov. Jim Edgar, who served from 1991 to 1999, suggests that probably won't change anytime soon.

In a wide-ranging interview with the new website Reboot Illinois, Edgar says Springfield is less dysfunctional when the two parties share power.

"More times than not I think split government works pretty well. The reason is to make the tough decisions you need both parties. It’s hard to get one party to put up all the votes and take all the blame, so they don’t make the tough decisions. If you’re in the minority, you don’t have to be responsible.  If one of the houses or the governor is in your party, then you have a responsibility to be part of the solution. ...

"What happens is your party gets complete control and then the extremes in the party say, “Hey, we have control. Let’s go!”  Dealing with Pate Phillip (Republican Illinois Senate president from 1993 to 2003), when we had a split government he knew he had to compromise. When we had complete control he wanted to go to the right so far. When I had a House Democrat and a Senate Republican everyone knew we had to compromise from the word go."

Edgar, who might have been the last effective, respected governor to serve the state of Illinois, had some interesting things to say about other thorny problems, including how much income tax you should be paying.

Raise Income Taxes: "Until we double the income tax, Illinois is a very low-taxing state. We’re still not that high for an industrial state. And so for years the people of Illinois have got off pretty cheap, what they pay for state government compared with other states. So I think one of the realities is, you can only cut so much and we need to cut. But it’s not going to be that easy. But I think we’re going to have to pay more because for too long we kind of got a free ride in Illinois."

No New Programs: "First of all, no new programs. I don’t care how wonderful they are, we don’t have any money. I think you have sit the leaders down and the governor is going to have to probably be a little more flexible from the point of view that  we’ve to figure out how we’re going to cut spending and we’re going to have to not create new programs."

The All-Powerful Mike Madigan: "Well, if the speaker’s the most powerful person in Springfield, something’s not working. Because the governor should be the most powerful. And I don’t blame all the problems on Mike Madigan."

Cut Good Programs: "We’re at the point where you’re going to have to cut some good programs. You have to determine what’s essential and what’s just good. That’s a tough decision. I had to go through that in the early '90s and it’s not an easy decision. But the governor has to just continue to work with the four leaders and put aside personal animosities and he’s going to have to put aside some of his personal wish list and work with them."

Up to this point, however, Gov. Pat Quinn hasn't shown much ability to work with the legislative leaders. His latest big idea is Squeezy the Pension Python, a cartoon mascot designed to rally Illinoisans around pension reform. Apparently, the governor imagines a groundswell of popular support via Facebook and Twitter will persuade lawmakers to spontaneously think up a solution.

Members of his own party mocked the idea as "juvenile," reports the Chicago Tribune.

This post is published throughout the Patch network in the Chicago area.

Walt Hines November 26, 2012 at 11:06 pm
Vera they will in-source the police and fire departments. They will pay these people 99 cents an hour, give them room and board and keep them here for a couple for a couple of years before the new recruits come in. Getting a pension from this state is like playing Russian Roulette with your future.
laura November 26, 2012 at 11:10 pm
Guess no one told Greece! LMAO! Internationally, it's called "default!"
Dave November 26, 2012 at 11:11 pm
The village board lied to the residents about this project all along. A a village meeting several months ago the board said they were against the low income apartment complex called Mill Street Station. After doing a bit of investigating, I learned that the village planned to approve this low income apartment project from the beginning. In fact the village has even given the developer a discount on their water rate! Who will make up the difference? Of course, it's you and me. I will have more to say after some of my FOIA requests are processed by the State of Illinois.
The point here is, as my house value goes down my taxes continue to rise. We need accountability in all of our govermental agencies. The now vacant bank at the S/W corner of Mill and Orchard roads would make a great location for a police substation. It will be needed when the crime rate surges.
Tim November 26, 2012 at 11:12 pm
The cuts are not the problem. The problem comes in making this broad 'cut 20% from everything', without any actual plan or thought. When anything more than a surface analysis is done on this, It becomes obvious that it is actually causing more damage that it prevents.
If anyone could present an actual plan, based on the unique circumstances of EACH body, they could get my support. That plan has never been put forth, just more of the 'cut 20%' ramblings. This is not a 'negotiating tactic' or any other nonsense, this is the fiscal health of your town, and a surprisingly large amount of people have willingly gotten on board to actively damage their communities. On the surface, it makes perfect sense - who wouldn't want to pay less money? That sounds great, when asked as an independent question. And that was the dangerous part of this... those consequences were never listed, or brought up, by this 'protest' before election day. There was no 'counter' group out there that was sounding the warnings of how poor of an idea this actually was, so none of the negative information about this choice ever reached a voter. Choices have consequences, so you(the royal you) better make sure you FULLY understand what you are doing. Not knowing how the finance world functions is not going to stop it from functioning that way, no matter how unfair you may think it is.
laura November 26, 2012 at 11:15 pm
Walt, IGNORE Tim.... he clearly doesn't have school-aged children and didn't lose a spouse. He assumes ("assume makes an as* out of U and ME") he knows your situation and your stressors. He doesn't. Nor does he allude to care-taking for anyone but himself. We know young children change that me-first ballgame. Death of a spouse also changes that ballgame. Just IGNORE his ignorance. :-)
Dave November 26, 2012 at 11:21 pm
A wise college instructor once said. "Whoever is in office vote them out" We don't owe them a job for life. It's already ridiculas that Congress and the Senate get full pensions and insurance for life after serving just a term and a day.
Despiser of Obama November 26, 2012 at 11:22 pm
Walt in source from where? What if all Police Dept's all closed up across the U.S.
laura November 26, 2012 at 11:30 pm
Disciple (Vera, Tom, etc., etc.), the link you provided shows that 36.6% of officer fatalities cited during 2002-11 were linked to shootings; the balance (63.4%) of officers died of other causes. The website fails to delineate whether these were on- or off-duty fatalilties. Ergo, one can't tease apart whether these deaths might have occurred regardless of the occupation. There are courses called "statistics" that can help you understand this, if you still aren't certain.
Walt Hines November 26, 2012 at 11:36 pm
Vera they'll in-source from other countries and these people will come in on work Visa's. I think American's should be the first one's hired but this game is already being played out. My wife and I saw this during her cancer treatments, made me sick!
Despiser of Obama November 27, 2012 at 12:31 am
Brought in from other Countries, by whose authority? What do about the language barrier? Have an interpreter following the foreigner around on calls? It wouldn't work and it would never be done. If a City or Town opts out not to have a Police force, the federal government can't make them have one. So what made you sick?
Despiser of Obama November 27, 2012 at 12:53 am
The Police deaths are all duty related. Regardless of the percentage of Officers shot and killed people aren't supposed to shoot the Police. I dont see firemen or other City employees going to a call or while performing their job and get shot at a year pace like Police Officers do.
Jim R November 27, 2012 at 12:58 am
laura, I taught statistics in college for awhile when I was teacing sociology. The better comparison as you were leading is to use statistics. Just using raw numbers is not necessarily wise, rates are much better since you deal with a comparable base. By using rates we have a better comparison among occupations with varying number of employees. The following link gives mortality rates from a number of occupations.
http://bls.gov/iif/oshwc/cfoi/cfoi_rates_2009hb.pdf But even this data ignores the obvious which is that pensions have gotten out of hand and are much too high. An argument by someone that they deserve all they get should be followed by that person's agreement to pay the bill as the rest of us cannot afford it. Going back to Edgars comment, increase his tax but not ours but better lessen his pension to one and reduce the size of that. Personally I find his comment hypocritical as he is part of the problem and his solution is absolute nonsense. Former neighbors of mine left the state for another because of the costs here.
Jim R November 27, 2012 at 12:59 am
Seems his comments are given a different focus.
Jim R November 27, 2012 at 01:12 am
Laura,
I am with you as I find Tim's comments offensive. My wife and I were given nothing but we have been frugal and have an amount of savings in our 401k. I am retired but my wife is still working, and even with what we have saved with our house also paid I would not make comments like Tim's. No we do not have control of everything we would like. I take no responsibility for idiot Quinn but I blame others who voted for him. Unless you are a billionaire, do not assume your funds might run dry because of illness or something else unforseen. I am not happy with all of those who declared bankruptcy when they can still afford it but they do not want to accept their loss. Guess many would like to have gotten their 401k losses back when the stocks and housing hit the skids but that is not the way it works. I remember a plasterer in his 70's who did some work for us quite some time ago. He had retired, but his wife's bout with cancer wiped away all of their savings. So my attitude is not to assume all because a person is facing difficult times it is not always their fault or a lack of planning.
Despiser of Obama November 27, 2012 at 01:19 am
The real problem is with the State Pension plan system and not the local Police and Fire Downstate pension plans. One good thing the State Constitution amendment was shot down!
Earnan Drummann November 27, 2012 at 02:03 am
I've read the Bible and I've read this blog. This blog took longer.
Edward Andrysiak November 27, 2012 at 03:42 pm
Sovereign you say. Then that would mean that we could elect NOT to follow any Federal edict/law...like Obamacare if the people of the state so voted??? As for filing bankruptcy, I think most folks simply mean run out of money and have no way to borrow more...thus, they are dependant on tax payers paying into a balanced budget situation reflecting a lot of cuts!
Steve Woodward November 27, 2012 at 04:00 pm
Gov. Edgar's call for higher income taxes simply proves that anyone who remains in Illinois long enough will lose his mind. How about we stop reckless spending and rein in the unions first before we nail taxpayers again? Btw, did Edgar ever raise taxes?
Bob November 27, 2012 at 04:43 pm
In Edgar's years, we had a "temporary" income tax increase from 2% to 3%. He made the 50% tax increase permanent.
Originally, the increase was to clean up some short term fiscal issues and give the state some breathing room to get it's spending priorities in order, but once the new money was there all the parasites were lined up to grab it, from road contractors to teachers unions and wasteful Universities, and the spending reform never happened. Sound familiar? Wash, rinse, repeat.
Tim November 27, 2012 at 05:07 pm
Somehow this went from a discussion about taxes, to a pissing contest of who had the roughest life.
If you are complaining about your taxes, why are you bringing up those other issues? Either you could afford your house, or you couldn't. One off unexpected expenses would have happened NO MATTER WHAT. You can't suddenly point to your taxes as being the problem, when there are other expenses multiple orders of magnitude larger than that, that are what are actually the main contribution to your problems. Taxes are what you chose to focus on, but they are not the problem. Your income is. Guess what - there a MILLIONS of people poorer than you that would LOVE to have your problems. By your logic, we should cut all the services and tax breaks you currently have, to make it 'fair' to those who have less than you. For example; Renters do not get the mortgage interest deduction on their taxes - are you supporting eliminating that to make it 'fair'? Of course not - because that is the benefit that YOU want. The concept you are advocating is called a 'race to the bottom', and if you pulled yourself out of your limited perspective, you would understand the problems with it. I'm sorry your life has been rough, but why do you think that others that have absolutely nothing to do with your circumstances, need to be punished for it?
Leigh November 27, 2012 at 07:32 pm
The United States pays the least of any wealthy industrialized country but expects the most in services. But we can have a more stable economy if we are willing to tackle corruption and waste in government and make some serious changes to the business as usual state house attitude. We all need to be more watchful and informed on our government and contribute to the conversation all year not just during election years. make it a point to attend just one school board, city board or county board meeting a year so that we are represented by the size of our numbers and remind our elected officials who they are supposed to be working for.
A good book on the federal budget, which affects our state budget is Red Ink by David Wessel. The people of this county and state are for the most part well educated we just need to be more well informed.
Despiser of Obama November 28, 2012 at 03:20 am
Let's cut to the chase already. Here's the real problem and where wasted tax payeers dollars are going. Illinois ranks fourth in the U.S. with Hispanic population . With a vast majority of illegal's in the State that cost Illinois 3.5 Billion a year in education, medical and other services. Time to deport and start putting the money where it's really needed in the State budget. Let's start cleaning house once and for all. The State money is for legal Illinois citizens and not for the illegal!
Jim R November 28, 2012 at 02:00 pm
Quin and some other idiots want to give licenses to illegals which seems to reward people breaking immigration laws no matter what king obama says, but our debt is much more than the issue you suggest which is only a small part of the total.
"Illinois has an unfunded pension liability of at least $83 billion, according to state figures. It had 45 percent of what it needed to pay future retiree obligations as of 2010, the lowest among U.S. states, data compiled by Bloomberg show. " http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-08-29/illinois-debt-cut-by-s-p-after-lack-of-action-on-pension-funding.html Some of the same idiots are not resolving the pension problem. Our government in Illinois drove us into debt and are not fixing it, possibly to protect their own pensions. This is also why I said sometime ago edgar is a hypocrite suggesting tax increases while receiving 2 huge pensions. All in our Congress should have all of their pensions rescinded until they resolve this problem without raising taxes.
RJD November 28, 2012 at 02:27 pm
This is the same gay I picked up from a Chicago 5 start hotel and did not tip. He really cares about the working man. Maybe someone needs to tell him how the real world works.
Olddeegee November 28, 2012 at 02:31 pm
I'm sure you meant "guy"?
Despiser of Obama November 28, 2012 at 03:19 pm
Jim R it would be a big start to deport the illegal's from Illinois.
Edward Andrysiak November 28, 2012 at 03:39 pm
Lot of Edgar talk here but I think Big Jim Thompson (Ill Gov.) was the one who signed into law all the school pensions we are choking on at present. I was told that his mother was a school teacher......thanks son!
Despiser of Obama November 28, 2012 at 04:02 pm
Edward school teacher pensions were in place long before Thompson was Governor.
Bob Levy November 28, 2012 at 04:12 pm
Rather than deport, tax! There must be a way to tax them. The do a lot of good work and we need them but they should be taxed if they receive ANY benefits. The drivers license ploy makes no sense, With a government issued ID (with picture) all they need is a SSA (Real or fake) so the License should be a technique to insure they pay their fair share!
PD December 1, 2012 at 07:56 pm
For all of you persons that are not retired yet, we do pay taxes on our retirement pension. We have also been getting the same amount of pay for 15 years but I'm not complaining. We'll never get rich on it but we get along with paying our bills, etc.

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