Didn't something similar happen at this exact location not too long ago?

The jackals are at the door.

What is going on Tinley Park???

I grew up in Tinley Park in the 70's and 80's watched that 7-11 built. We used to say then wish things could go back to the 50's and 60's times were more simple. Now would like to go back to the simple times
of the 70's and 80's. Stay safe everyone & peace.

And the Band Played On!

I can't believe it......

Hope it was REALLY important cuz two lives have been changed forever along with countless others who know these two nuts

Tinley is not the village it used to be....that's a damn shame.

Young local man killed by man driving a gold benz. This story is becoming all too common. Police in a round about way need to make more stops and searches if necessary and make arrests and seize guns so people know Tinley Park means business.

What's the description of the shooter? Race included..

Hey Tinley Park Police... when are you going to protect YOUR borders!

Too bad the real estate market is still bad in Tinley. Looks like you can't move people.

I recenlty moved out of the Pines because of the crime not only on the east side of Tinley, but in the Pines itself.

Your ignorant for not putting the two together...

Well it didn't take long for all the "Tinley Park is not the same" " Tinley Park is changing" "Tinley Park is looking like Western Ave" Really people??? Western Ave? Please, stop with the drama. This isn't 1979 when most people still lived in Chicago and Tinley Park had still had farms! Tinley Park is a BIG town with people from every race from every suburban to neighborhood in Cook county. People still like Tinley. Nothing is boarded up or burned down. Even in quiet little Frankfort Square someone was kidnapped. So if crime is in Frankfort Square crime is everywhere.

Frankfort Square, quiet ? Little? That went to the dumps years ago!

thats why illinois needs carry conceal the idiots might think twice about targeting inocent people

This is just sad that this is going on. I just wonder if this was not accidental and there was more then just an "argument" you know...

This is truly SAD......wtf goes through a persons head to shoot someone over nothing.oak forest should have dusted that dude

Stop spreading ignorance...........COME ON!!!...........You not going to tell me that you have not notice all the crap that has move in to Tinley Park since 9-11. Its amazing how crime started to go up since then. Keep renting out house to section 8........when was the last time you heard someone say lets go to Country Club Hills to shop. I went to Orland Park Mall the other day.........I thought I was at Ford City Mall........Lets be real !!!!!!!!!

Wasn't Tinley Park rated the best city to raise a family either last year or two years ago? Hmmmm. I think different. Yes it can happen anywhere, but to be rated #1? Very sad.

Aint nothing country club over there

The coach roaches are infesting. Time to move West.

Stephanie, where did I mention race..............I said All the Crap...........

Tinley Park Was Voted Best PlaceTo Raise Your Kids-- Not Now- time to LEAVE If You Can Sell .Its Country Club Hills West.Its Bad Real BAD

That's what happens when the ghetto or shall u say colors come past the line that's why I moved out over 15 yrs ago ... Over rated Harvey!

Smh....Grow up! We don't know the nationality of the criminal or the victim. But we do know that the victim and criminal comes from the human race. I lived in Or land and my neighbor was murdered across the street. A woman was shoot in Or land Mall. And it has nothing to do with the color of someones skin.

There are also hundreds of crimes committed by whites in Tinley Park each year. There are thousands of violent crimes perpetrated by whites each year. Is there a cycle of poverty, lack of education, and violence? Yes. Is it related to race? Yes. Is it a biological factor that makes blacks, or other people of color, more likely to commit a crime, do poorly in school, or be subjected to poverty? No. It's a vicious cycle of racism and white privilege. Educate yourselves. This mentality is exactly why I moved out of the suburbs long ago. Guess I'll just stick to living in the city with other well-educated "liberal freaks."

Crime is everywhere, as it has been forever. The only difference now is we have the many media outlets to make us aware of EVERYTHING! Let us carry weapons to protect ourselves from that thugs who were not parented properly.

The last time I checked criminals come in all nationalities. Not just the ones shown on the nightly news. As you can see crime can happen anywhere. Who said these individuals lived in this community? Maybe they were passing through from somewhere else. And who judges a community by its mall? Take a look at Orland it is still up and coming.

Nice to see that narrow minded people still live in Tinley Park. Ford City? Havery ?there is nothing burned down or boarded up. WOW Stop with the drama. Really you all look very dumb. And people still with to live in Tinley.

@Tb...I haven't seen the news
I've only read news alert
But, whatever his skin color it doesn't matter to me he committed a crime and as long as justice is served that is all I care about.

Stephanie, that's just fine with me. keep your "well educated" liberal self in the city.
I am well educated too but I'm not from privilege. I work my a** off.

Carry your gun, know how and when to shoot it, and you dont have any worries. Im a law abiding citizen who carries everywhere regsrdless of the law. I dont have a worry because I feel safe... anywhere and am not afraid to shoot someone who threatens me with my life

Argue all you want..The downfall of our good suburban living began when King Mayor Daley knocked down the projects and refused to build housing for the tenants he moved out! Now with the housing market in the crapper, people with money are buying up a lot of the foreclosures, houses and apartment complexes..Then they rent to Anyone with quite a few being section 8..That's the answer to what's going on in the south suburbs..This will continue until the government stops giving everything for free to people who refuse to work..2 and 3 generations on welfare getting all their needs for free on our backs! The working tax payers!! When they want more than Uncle Sam gives them, they rob us to get it!! Wake up..speak up!! They are using us, the working middle class as their personal banks!!

This is truly a sad situation regardless of race! Would it be less mortifying if the victim was black and the shooter white? For those that are calling people names just because of their race, you are just as bad as the shooter! Its such a shame that you wont look at this statement and say "they are right, I am acting like a racist"....this poor guy lost his life and all some of you can do is spew even more hate. Once again, no better than the killer.

Everyone arguing...what is wrong with you ? Someone lost theirlkife today..and this is what you do. Now I see why society is so messed up. Born and raised 6 blocks from 7/11. It happens EVERYWHERE.

Pat F. - well said.
DM - I live in Tinley too.
Human race - no better than the killer? Really ? we are spewing because we do care about this poor guy. It could have been any poor soul.

Just sad,my brother was down the street and i thank GOD he wasnt injures or anyone else! Please keep his family in your prayers everyone

I would agree that with the projects being torn down the south suburbs have changed. It doesnt have anything to do with their race but their upbriging and mentality. I know plenty of educated and morally sound black people that do not collect public aid nor kill people. I also know plenty of white people that collect public aid proudly and commit all kinds of crimes from gang banging to killing. Would it be fair to say all white people are mass killers, etc cause most school shootings and mass murders are committed by white people? No it wouldnt and it would be nonsense! People need to look beyond the skin color and see the real reason things are not getting better.

The shooter was black the victim was white. No surprise there. If it were opposite Jesse would be out here.

LT...would you care as much if it was a white man that killed a black man? All im saying is that it seems as though you were more focused on the race of the person moreso than the character of the person. We dont evenhave all the facts yet!

TP resident,
I live in tinley, am of mixed race and I would never shoot ANYONE! I dont like jesse jackson, I dont play rap music, I have an education and I would do anything to help one of my neighbors! My children are well educated and were brought up with morals and values as I hope you and yours were. What is so sad is it seems as though you would be the person that would lock your doors if you saw my sons coming near you just because of his skin color when really the one you should be watching is the white kid that just passed you that is high off of drugs! But, because he is white you wouldnt think twice about "trusting" him. Not all black people commit crimes ,etc. Geez!

Human race..... you know plenty of white people who Commit all kinds of crimes , gang bang, and kill people? Really? What a stupid ass comment.!

Also comic relief...i had a white kid come into my home, steal my kids stuff that they worked hard for! So should I have said to my kids "dont ever bring another white kid into this house again"...what would that have taught them? Only how to be racist! I tell my kids to judge people on their character...not skin color!

I can under stand were some people are coming from with there comments. We worked hard for our family. We want to live in a good area. Some people moved out here for have that "god live" I am one of these people. It gets people up set when there is Violent crime in our area. This isn't the everyday car window broken and stuff stolen. This was a gun crime in the day time in a nice area. I hope TP police, and mayor wake up and have an answer why this happened and tell us why they all do everything in there power to make sure that this doesn't become an every week of month thing in TP. Also with all the foreclossers and short sales in the area, TP needs to do something about how many rentals there can be in town. Because always all of them are going to Section 8

black shoots white=ho-hum just another day.white shoots black=katie bar the door, here come jessie and louis. sweet young white girl is murdered by black home invader= back page. treyvon makes NATIONAL news. we got a problem here folks, all you libs living in your white bread world are in for a rude awakening.

Wow, some of you act like bullets fly all over the place in tp lol. Jesus get some spines. Sad what happened but to act like tp is crime infested is ridiculous! Better go get you're bullet proof vests lol

It is horrible what Orland and Tinley have become. I know several people who now drive all the way out to Oak Brook to shop in safety and civility. I think that the migration is due to store and mall closings in the SouthEast Burbs.

Lets look at Chicago shootings..what color is the offender? Case and point.

TP Resident...you are such a mislead individual. Dont.you get the fact that people of all races commit crimes? Tinley is still a nice area to live in! You are going to have bad people all over! Why cant you just say "not all black people commit these crimes"? Is it hard to admit that there are good & bad black people and good &bad white people...come on, you can do it!

E....migration??? Really!

TP is not the same since they closed the projects and shipped the thugs out to the burbs. TP neighbors high crime areas and we will be forced to move west, further away from downtown and higher paying jobs, which is BS for those of us who work for a living and don't rob people. TP folks cant afford to move north to more affluent areas. TP needs to change soon. Stop letting stores like Rue 21 and Rainbow move into town. Ever see those stores near Oakbrook?

Im not colledge educated but you can check the crime statistics in other states carry conceil dropped the crime rate more than half check it out

Timotat....so now its a stores fault? Geez! Maybe its cause we have more and more young children having babies, black & white, less morals & values being instilled, etc! Soooo youre saying if macys was in tp there would no crime? Ughhhh....why I e
ven entertain such ignorance!

Fatty...speculation, pure speculation! This is how rumors start! Nobody knows what happened yet!

A few takeaways:
1. We need more facts before jumping to so many conclusions.
2. It is evident that the combined efforts of local police forces did a nice job in apprehending the suspect and should be commended.
3. I went to college and work w/ the self-styled "highly educated". By educated they actually mean indoctrinated. Classical liberalism was rooted in a respect for individual liberty and independent thought. Today's modern liberalism is a perversion of the classical liberal heritage. It is nothing more than collective ideology based on pathetic talking points. The so-called highly-educated poster, here, is simply a product of this. The fact is fly-over country has become increasingly more intellectual than "enlighted" urban culture -- and of course that's not to say fly-over country is all that intellectual... Sorry, but "highly educated" in this country has increasingly become "highly indoctrinated".

Time for looooong time mayor Ed to address the increasing crime problem in TP. This cheerleading from him about how great TP is getting old. Perhaps we should name another park or fountian after him or his long time cronies?

I'm not necessarily a fan of this mayor. What do you propose he should do to prevent this from happening? Without more facts, I'm afraid you'd be reaching. The fact is, though, inter-deparmental coordination did contribute to quickly bringing the suspect into custody and it is good for the mayor to recognize that in his statement.

I guarantee this wasn't an argument that started in the parking lot. There is more too it

Was this incident related to something that happened near the car wash about a mile north of there?

AC, you may be right. But, your guarantee indirectly indicts the victim in wrong-doing in a public forum based only on your own speculation.

Couples before I was in that store and at that location

I"m black, live in Tinley and want to sincerely apologize for "Human Race."....you're not doing us any favors buddy, just stop

Was only a matter of time for Tinley to go down on the list for being one of the most undesirable towns to move to. What did everyone expect ? Tinley neighbors >oak Forrest which neighbors > crest wood which neighbors > Robbins & Harvey , it's to be expected !!! And as far as the comment made earlier about orland mall? Was just there 3 days ago( but haven't been there in over a year ) and all I can say is that "I" was DEFINATLY the minority instead of being the majority

None of those skummmmmmmmmmms were black that beat those people in Ashford house. Just saying.........What about the sick "o" s that did the Hickory Street Horror in Joliet. Or even the the most popular skum Jodi Arias? I just wish this didn't have to come down to race with all of these comments it saddens me that society isn't past this. I PRAY FOR THE VICTIMS FAMILY.......My point is skum bags are skum bags they come in all shapes sizes and colors and why are there not more words of kindness on this article for this man that lost his life and his family instead of everybody spewing hate?

Dm, How are the mayor and his trustees responsible for this?

The mall is the worst thing that happened to TP. It brings all the ghettos, that act like they have money, drive nice cars because their priorities are in clothing and cars and live in robins and harvey. I am with tb on this one. I have my wife shop in oak brook so she doesn't have to deal with the ghettos. I can afford to do so. And will be getting out asap. There are reasons why people don't want to live in country club hills.

TODAY: I left that parking lot about 10 minutes before this happened. It's scary. It's too close to home and some people's homes are now turned upside down from this. As a community, we all need to come together. Know your neighbors! Ask to borrow some sugar, for crying out loud! Look out for your neighbors! Get nosy! When your neighbor's kids are up to no good, DO SOMETHING!
RACISM in TINLEY PARK: It's embarrassing and disappointing. Oh and FYI, the Lane Bryant thing, the drive by, this...didn't happen in the black neighborhoods around here.

I'm a TP resident. I cannot wait for conceal carry to pass for me and my families safety regardless of where I live and or travel. We as residents need to stand up against the violence and rising crime in the area and do something to help rather than play the blame game. Call TPD if something doesn't seem right, that's what they're there for. I have a family of 14 hood rats who rent the house next to mine and believe me I've tried being the nice neighbor only to get " you best be gettin back to your house and stop disrespecting me". TPD has since been put on speed dial and after multiple arrest and drug busts, they're starting to get the point.. Call, Call, Call! on anything that's questionable. After all, we do pay a shitload in taxes, so why not make them earn their paycheck! It's not worth putting yourself in harms way with an over privileged POS who wouldn't think twice about killing you for the $20 in your wallet. Stand up and fight to take our town back rather then run away scared!

The fact that ppl ate having an argument about politics and such is disrespectful. Please take your thoughts somewhere else. What happened is obviously sad and it seems like ppl posting on this site are self-centered. Have some respect for the victim and family.

You people make my head hurt...no matter the race we are all still humans. Does it really matter? A white man is just as capable of committing murder as the next guy. It's assholes like u that make this world so full of hate. I think Tinley is GREAT!! Shit happens everywhere. It's the world we live in now.

How in the world is conceal and carry going to improve safety? You are out of your mind. That just means more people will have guns and more guns will be fired. If I am in the mind set of pulling a gun on someone I already don't care if they have one. Chances are the one who is being threatened isn't quick draw McGraw and what ever was going to happen will happen. If the state wasn't so broke they woulden't have to have stolen all the police pension money and could train officers to be real police and keep more of them on the streets full time. I am not saying this could have prevented anything, but I for one would feel safer with that than john q public carrying a gun in his waste band. There's too many idiotic people out there, we DO NOT need them carrying weapons we can't see. This is truly unfortunate, I hope justice is served.

Its funny to see many of you commenting on how tp is changing in a negative manner due to the fact that crime is up every where during a horrible economic time.....which by the way is often when crime rates rise.... Also the person killed today was in there 20's which is about the time when children where not spanked or taught how to respect others by the majority and that includes all races; and then many of you act as though tinley orland and frankfort should be in a safe bubble....really people crime is everywhere....where you gonna run

I moved away from 41 st and Albany my insurance went down.Bought a house by Marquette Park neighborhood became a melting pot values of home's decreased, crime went up.Moved to Hinsdale insurance went down .In every case it was because of the ethnicity of the neighborhood.So are insurance companies racist or do they know from facts that certain ethnic group's commit more crime's then other's. Usually when section 8 housing is built crime goes up and houseing values go DOWN.

I worked in housing. All the bad in Tinley is east of Harlem. Zabrocki only cares about everything west of Harlem unless it has something to do with the train station or a bordering business that he, most of the time, doesn't have to pay his bill (and they keep feeding his fat butt). In every town when you see an area going bad and government does NOTHING to help it, it's because they get more benefits from federal government for having a "lower end". Zabrocki is all about money. Nothing else. Look at all the mom and pop businesses, good businesses he's helped close by raising their taxes just to get higher end shops in Tinley Park. It's sick, he's sick, he needs to be put out of office.

Wow. Chicagoan here. Female & white, since race matters. I just want to say, I've shopped at Ford City and survived. I also want to say that the grammar in most of these comments is abysmal.

Jason conway....there is no need to apologize for me.tell me what I have said for you to feel compelled to "apologize" for me. I have simply stated that it doesnt matter what color a person is, this world has come to be a different place and that racist comments regarding this crime is stupid because it could very well have been the other way around where the white person shot the black one. I was referring to the people on this forum that have said that since black people or "animals" or "those people" or "the ghettos"...(which by the way is the new "N" word) have moved in tinley the crime rate is up. I also gave an example of how a "white" child came into my home and stole my childs stuff but I never spewed any hate for his race, but for his actions cause a black kid could have done the same. I also stated that we do not have the facts about the crime so its all speculation as to why he was shot and killed. An argument is no reason for ANYONE to be killed and we dont know if either of them even lived in tinley so it could have and does happen anywhere.

I can't believe this happen to such an amazing man, unbelievable. It definitely wasn't your time to go and it's so bad. You were such a wonderful father && always put smiles on people's faces even though we would question each other on why they're smiling lol Nobody could ever not like you, you jus had it like that, with your great, unique personality. You loved your electronics and can fix anything to a car in no time, as long as NO ONE was watching nor bothering you! l0l especially starring at you while eating, driving, or playing your pstriple games! You always dressed fresh and kept your appearance up! I could have never in a million years thought that this could happen to you and I would be having to write all sbout you. At least I get to cherish the moments we had I'm so entirely sorry you had to go through what you went through. You definitely will be truly missed but never ever forgotten. Lovee yu kidd and will catch ya on tha otherside, xO You were the best by far && we're in the wrong place at tha wrong time. Nobody can ever replace you - yu sir are one of ah kindddd, I'm so sadd you have to miss out on your burthday 4 dayss<3 Promise yu I will do my best and make it,xo

To those of you that are still burying your heads in the sand: It's time to flush out your headgear. Crime IS on the rise in TP. This town is a LOT bigger than it used to be, & the police cannot be everwhere at once. Pointing a finger at the reasons is a good first step, but we need to HELP the TP police Dept. do their job. What happened to "Neighborhood Watch" programs in this town? What else could we as residents do to move in a POSITIVE direction with this problem?

So Mr. Conway, please do not feel obligated to apologize for me because I am fully capable of apologizing for myself...when I do something to apologize for. Also Mr. Conway, while you were feeling compelled to apologize for me did it register at all that one of these "people" on here that are such racist could be your neighbor? Well, I have! And I can tell you this, my family and I have more to worry about with the racist on here than they do of us! We do not hate period! But because my kids are a darker skin tone than them they now have to worry. Labeling a full race of people is very ignorant and racist period! So, before you get on your high horse buddy, you are not doing us any favors because whether you want to admit it or not, the ones that said the town is going to crap since black people moved in...they are speaking about you too! thank you to those that appreciate a melting pot and realize that color does not bring crime...ignorance and lack of respect does! Respect one another and raise your children right and be a part of their life and things can change!

Everyone makes their own choices in life and my family has chosen to live a life of morals and values. My family is a melting pot and we have good and bad from both sides that we are ashamed of but not because of their skin color but their life choices and actions! Thank you all for reading and hopefully Mr. Conway you will consider what I have said. as a last note and sadly it is a last note on this forum, may the families of both the victim and perpetrator find peace.

Foreveryours, I am truly sorry for your loss. I hope you all are able to find some peace and healing from this tragic event. May your loved one rest in peace and may the perpetrator be brought to justice! No one deserves to lose their life over a friggin argument!

Just read this, this hit's the white privileged liberals, from the city...I wonder if Stephanie lives on the south side...

I’ll tell *you* what’s racist — not policing a 12 block area on the south side of Chicago where children are shot so often, they don’t even run when they hear gunfire.

I’ll tell *you* what’s racist — making sure the loop in downtown Chicago, where by the way, I lived for three years, sees virtually no homicides. Yet on the south side of Chicago, the poor, the downtrodden, black and brown children are murdered in the middle of the day, in parks, on playgrounds, and in places where they have a right to be.

You allow gangs with *illegal* weapons to patrol the streets on the south side of Chicago – putting innocent victims at risk.

You hide behind accusations of racism, while people are dying. You criticize my right to own a legal gun that you want to tax and trace, while your city is trampled in a small 12-block area by people with *illegal* guns. Why don’t you track and trace them?

Violence is all around us, it's just a matter of where it will raise it's ugly head! Yesterday it just happened to be in Tinley. From some of the comment's here you would think Tinley was as blighted and crime ridden as Chicago Heights or Englewood. Laughable! This isn't Utopia people, it's the real world, it's ugly, violent and people have been killing people since Cain slew Abel! Be aware of whats going on around you! People have no facts of what happened here yesterday and the assumptions from all the experts posted on here are ridiculous.

This entire story must be false, You can't carry a gun in Crook County...

I actually saw the whole crime scene take place yesterday. I mean the caution tape, detectives, victims car door wide open (away from the pump) and with a shattered drivers window, helicopters, photos being taken. And I was mortified to actually see something like this happen in my neighborhood. May the victim rest in peace and his family stay strong and encouraged.

There's nothing in the color of a person's skin that makes them more likely to murder, rape, or sell drugs. It's the "black" culture we've created in America that's the problem, and that comes from the government, media, and entertainment industry.

I wish everyone has had the opportunity to work with black people who grew up up in "black" cultures other than the US as in Africa and the Carribean as I have. Nigerians, for example, have a higher percentage of citizens with advanced degrees than the US. I've worked with many in the financial and Oil engineering industry who are among the best in the world. THEIR "black" cultures still have social stigmas with out of wedlock birth and value educational achievement and hard work. Anyone who knows Non-gang related Jamaicans knows they flourish here, often working several jobs while getting educations in nursing and business.

In Africa, a man fathering children with several women and abandoning them would be a pariah and outcast. Here they are glorified and respected for their "prowess".

Make no mistake about it, the murder and gang culture here was carefully crafted by a liberal culture, and until we re-introduce social stigma and end subsidizing of out of wedlock birth and lack of educational and professional ambition, we're going to feed and expand the culture that kills babies and young children by the hundreds every year in places like Chicago, and people driving a "gold benz" will murder on our streets.

Once Jon Stewart made the following true, but ironic, comment. He said, "Back in the 1960's, white people fled changing heighborhoods because they were afraid that having their children in contact with blacks would lead to more drug abuse, pre-marital sex, STDs and illegitimate births. Now, after several decades of black rapper and hip-hop culture being brought to every white child through cable TV and music.........DARNED IF THEY WEREN'T RIGHT!"

Not surprising the shooter was located near 147th Central. Have you been to Manchester court apartments?? Section 8 destroys communities!!!!

tinley park has less police officers today than 10 years ago. they had millions for that stupid train station on 80th av but no money for police. i have been told that east of oak park the crime rate is getting so bad that the mayor moved his family out to the brookside gleen sub..he saw it coming

I am sorry about the killings! I address it in my YouTube
videos as acajudi100. Dead is dead, and we need Singaporean laws! Thugs have no respect for anyone.

right tp--went from a 1200 sq ft house to one over 2000 sq ft. thats downsizing? went from a 4 grand tax bill to 9 grand. what r u smoken?

I feel thugs should use the USA cutizenship and shipped to hotspots all over the world.Check out a Russian prison
called Black Dollphin on Netflix. Stop babying thugs!

cmon like yall cant see it had to have been over a bad drug deal. tinley has a dark underground society and anybody who really knows tinley knows its true. tinley has a major drug problem and nobody has the nuts to admit it.

Oh my.. shut the F up everyone ! Police or no police... someone will shoot. You cannot stop these things. Drugs are EVERYWHERE. Youe kids so drugs.. your cousins do.. hell..your grandparenrs do drugs ! Seriously people do the community a favor and just stfu. All this talking is what drives people to it.. look at the attention you're giving it !

I think someone from the Patch needs to go thru these comments and wipe out all the ignorant comments (and that would be the biggest part of them) for the sake of the victim's family. He was just a kid. It happened........ the cops did a great job of apprehending him. PERIOD. Have a little compassion and keep your ignorant thoughts out of the posts and comments.

Alright who wants a soap box?? Does everyone feel better that they hid behind a computer and "yelled" their racist dramatic thoughts all over the internet? Have a little respect for the victims family. If you want to move out of everywhere there is crime buy a mobile home because you will be runing away most of your life.

There is a serious drug problem not just in TP but in other villages as well. Cocaine seems to be the drug of choice and a FBI office opened recently in Frankfort to address the issue for this region and the Northwest region has one as well.

Guns are illegal in IL. You can't carry one outside of you home. How could this happen in the state with the strictest gun control????

U parents better open ur eyes to the fact little timmy may b in his room shooting dope right now or stealing grandmas vicoden just because there raised right don't mean the addiction gene ain't in them ...be more active in there teen years its crucial regarless if they hate u for it I'm thinking of asking tphs to let me speak to u parents about the down and dirty parts of addiction and preventitive knowledge coming from one who's lived it if ur interested email me at nicnmar1122@gmail.com or call me direct 708 8298833 trust me it may save there life and I promise there is a solution before its to late...drugs r everywhere and rehabs don't work tinley has just as many hardcore drugs as Chicago does..believe that

Whatever the argument you want to post. Can you please use real words? This text style typing is dumbing down our society

Hope u heed my warning......

Sorry karen I'm not a texter call me and I will speak as eloquent as u want me to.. I have 2 psych degrees and a c.a.c.d degree so feel free

Seriously, some of you people are so ignorant! I grew up in Oak Forest and had many friends from Tinley. There have been trouble making, drug addicted, drug selling white thugs in Tinley and the surrounding towns for years!!! There are also a lot of great people! You people are ignorant for going on about race! Tinley has become a melting pot over the years. Therefore, when crime does happen it is at a higher percentage than it was is the 90's that the people involved may not be white! There was just as much crime in the 90's in Tinley, only back then 95% of it was caused by white people! We didn't hear about a lot of it because we didn't have the technology we have now! People are crazy, white, black, brown...it doesn't matter what color people are! I came on here just to find out what happened and am disgusted to see so many of you try to make this about yourselves! Get a life people!!
Foreveryours-I'm so sorry for your loss and I'm sorry you have to be subjected to all of these rude comments when I'm sure all you want is peace!!

Crimes committed with a gun, whether there is a loss of life or not, should get 10x the sentence. It is outrageous that law-abiding gun owners have to be punished for the actions of people like this. Make it so that if you are looking to commit a robbery or other such crime you pray that there isn't a gun in a 3 block radius of you just in case it might get tied to you because the punishment would be so steep.

And the Band STILL Played On!

This is why Racism is ALWAYS an issue. Someone asks a question so lets talk about black,white, mexican, etc..... and blow it all out of proportion. We all know statistics, we all know which area's are worse than others, there is ghetto area's and we should all know bad things can happen anywhere. Yes these 2 suburbs (Orland & Tinley) have had their fair share of bad things happen lately but it doesnt make the area horrible to live in. This shooting turned into a conversation of many topics that doesnt relate to what happened. The "You People" comment, lets not be dramatic. It was meant as all of us people not a race. The comment of moving from the suburbs to the City, good luck with that. I never heard that one. Usually its someone moving out of the City to the suburbs. I grew up in the City and chose to raise my kids in the suburbs, not sure where you live that is so much better. Bumblebee, Voice of Reason, Go White Sox, Bob.....nicely said for the most part. Stephanie you do make 1 small point but its not only black people and its not a race issue so its not important but other than that you seem to be a racist. FYI I'm far from racist, I have opinions about all nationalities. And I'm white with Mexican kids in case it matters to whoever talked about races of people. 1 more thing Cocaine seems to be a minor drug lately compared to what you read. Seems heroine is a big choice of many.

What is your definition of ghetto area?

My definition would be where its mostly Gangs & Drug dealers. I'm sure your aware of the many area's in the suburbs and the City. But Again this is about a shooting in TP that I don't consider a bad area.

June 9th can't come soon enough! Conceal and Carry FTW

Karen, please tell me where you read in My post that I said any part of Tinley was ghetto? See what happens when we assume things..... Part of my comment stated....We all know statistics, we all know which area's are worse than others, there is ghetto area's and we should all know bad things can happen anywhere. Yes these 2 suburbs (Orland & Tinley) have had their fair share of bad things happen lately but it doesnt make the area horrible to live in. So where does it say Tinly is ghetto? And I believe I commented I dont think TP is considered a bad area. read people, less misunderstandings will happen.

And the best goes on ill bet by 6 tonight there will be over a thousand comments.

When are you people going to wake up and realize how bad this area is getting? Stop living in denial and act so surprised when something like this happenes. Murders, drug deals, one kid killed by a stabbing, and what 2 stabbings the last 2 years at oak fest ? Lets get real people time to move west

This is what I've learned from Liberals, when a group of skinheads, or Democratic KKK members are found out, it is portrayed that all white conservative church-going, bible clinging gun holders are racist, when NBP members and Nation of Islam, and Terrorist are shown, it's always a small minority of that population, when whites leave an area, it's called white flight, when blacks leave an area, it's called trying to better themselves... for this I blame the liberal media and the liberals that keep the black family on the plantation.....I will challenge anyone to show me a liberal that has helped a minority without helping themselves first..... Have a Nice day...

Ive got to say the Tinley Park Police did a great job!

Karen I didnt do "text" writing so I would think you could understand. I AGAIN answered your question and again will ask where does that comment say TP is ghetto. So you know the comment is in general, never did I state a specific area. SMH - That means (Shake My Head)...Have a good day to everyone.

Wow the police didn't even notify schools to lockdown!!! Great one more thing residents have to worry about given the fact the tinley park police already suck at doing their jobs, now teachers, principles and parents aren't alerted about a madman who must have psychological issues shooting another guy due to road rage... I'll tell you have to bring back a good name to tinley park! Get rid of the current officers and hire new officers that will work!!!

Karen is an id iot... She can't even read shorthand and blames the bibles violence for crimes committed by criminals. Karen stop looking to blame and look at logic, or is it that you are missing that function in your cerebral as well as the ability to read.

My condolence to the victim and his family. May he be at eternal peace with God.

Yes Karen the bible has violent history in it, is that the reason you choose not to read it? Maybe if you read it along with these criminals, then there would be less crime. The purpose of history is to learn from the past and not make same mistakes in the future. If you read the bible you would learn that violence leads to condemnation. It teaches and doesn't promote.. People like you promote with ignorance. Educate yourself and go read the bible before you diss it! I also send condolences to the victims family.

Am I the only one who hasn't seen this on the news? I watched a few stations between last night and this morning and still nothing. I wonder why they are keeping it out of the news? Is a person being shot & killed, a manhunt, helicopters, several local police departments called in, and streets shut down, not news worthy? I mean they report about less serious issues, why not this one? Just curious!

I give praise to the OFF Duty police officer and his efforts to protect and serve

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2 thoughts on that. 1 I did see it on Fox last night at 9 for less than 10 seconds. I'm guessing the Mayor wants to keep it as quite as possible to help keep Tinley from getting noticed. Just an opinion but from what I know of him, it wouldn't surprise me.

its amazing how much people have to say from behind a computer, i bet if you had a face to face debate half these "jokers" would choke and crumble.........keep up the "internet muscles" yall are full of it........

Driving by the scene yesterday, I saw no TV news vehicles present. That was at 3:30 and again at 4:45pm.

The gangs live in the suburbs now. All the suburbs not just Tinley.

Anyone who wants to argue the truth, actions speak louder than words. Stop shopping and dining in the Orland surrounding areas. Go to Harvey, Riverdale, Dolton, or even South Holland. S.H was Mayberry 20 years ago. The others longer back. I grew up there. I wouldn't go back. I don't even like driving through there. This is the beginning of the end. 20 years and there won't be any difference between here abd our neighbors to the east.

Good argument people..., until it turned into racism! Who cares if the shooter or victim was black, white, or indifferent. This happened in our community! Who the heck says its time to move West ! My parents did that and look crime just follows. Enough with the racism and running. It starts with us as residents! Call the police when something looks out of the ordinary. When the people respond by doing that, criminals will stay away! Criminals rely on our timidness to calling 911. There in lies the problem,we have become a society where the individual looks out for themselves and their family. We need to start looking out for the greater good of everyone. I am not suggesting we get together and sing "Kumbaya" but at least look out for your fellow community members! You don't have to like someone to be nice or show respect to them. Shame on those who practice racism, and even more shame on those who accuse and point out racism in others. We need to stop blaming each other and start standing with one another!

I JUST WANT TO SAY WHAT A GREAT JOB BY TPPD... THEY HAVE TAKE HOME SQUAD CARS AND ARE ENCOURAGED TO USE THEM DURING THEIR OFF-DUTY HOURS, THUS ADDING ADDITIONAL POLICE ON THE STREET AT NO EXPENSE TO TAXPAYERS OTHER THAN GASOLINE... A VERY SMALL PRICE TO PAY FOR EXTRA POLICE PROTECTION. HENCE, IT WAS AN OFF-DUTY OFFICER WHO WAS ON SCENE WHEN THE SHOOTING STARTED AND GAVE CHASE. JOB WELL DONE, BOYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am a resident of Tinley Park myself, instead of everyone pointing fingers and blaming each other, race, religion, political beliefs, lets fight this nonsense together. Come together as a community, it is so easy for everyone to blame, but it is most difficult to make change. Set up a meeting with the village, start a neighborhood watch, make the change happen as ONE community.

OMG!!!! whata lot of reading....
my family moved from Garfield Ridge,
a Midway Airport neighborhood to Orland Park in 1972. Our Old neighborhood was
CHANGING. What THAT means is
the people who lived in the LeClaire
Court Projects were moving South of 47th Street. My parents not wanting to lose money due to DeValuation..put their house up for sale. We move to OP. They cannot sell the old house due to recession and word is out 'the neighborhood is changing'
That does not mean the yuppies were moving in. They lost over $250K on the sale of our old house. They made up for it in Orland. But is it happening all over again?
We shall see. Chicago & all its neighborhoods have always been very profiled and segregated...way of life here.
If you want to live where that kind of problem is not in your own back yard?
Move to St. Louis. I hear its very different there.

No disrespect to the victim, but when you google the victim's name a mugshot pops up for an arrest on what looks to be drug related last year in cook county. If this is the same person (the name and age match) Is this possibly another drug deal gone bad?

Who was the shooter? I did not see that info in the article.

It was all over a parking spot! I can sit and laugh sometimes when I read post and people just talking out of their a__es. First off a 24 yr. old man lost his life to some loser all over a parking spot. A family is now changed forever (who cares about the shooter) but the young man that lost his life yesterday doing nothing but simply stopping for a pop is now forever changed all because of this useless person that was a waste of space in this world anyway. I really don’t know what’s been happening in the Tinley Park area. I moved here 9 yrs. ago from Alsip to raise my 2 children and wanted a great schools dist. along with a great neighbor hood. As of today and I sit and write a post to the public about how disturbed I am by this accident. Where are all these parents? Why are these people so out of control (carrying guns)? It all starts from the roof you live under and I have to say the killers parents should be ashamed of themselves that they raised such a rotten person no matter how old this person is. This is a very sad story!

Why, don"t you look at the police blotter on here. iT. alot of people committing crime.
Cant judge a book by its cover. We have alot of diffrent color of people, In my
area. We dont not have the drama of hatred beacuse they are diffrent race.

As a proud white American, I'm trying to figure out what privileges I have. My husband and I both work 40 hours or more a week. My car is 7 years old. My house needs work done. I've never gotten anything free from the government. If we dont pay for what we want, we can't get it. The privileged are those who get free food, housing, medical,school supplies, car seats house repairs the list goes on and on. Whites privileged? I think, I know, we're not.

Jim quinn thorton is still like mayberry...there is nothing there to interest criminal behavior

The problem is people are raising their kids with zero impulse control. They are too busy to parent so they don't care what their kid is doing. Johnny got an F so let's blame the school. Why isn't Johnny held accountable? Parents letting 5 yr olds play violent video games like Assasin's Creed and Call of Duty because it keeps the little tyke away from you. Lack of parental involvement and lack of accountability.

I think this just proves the need for police checkpoints at the major intersections that lead into our town. I've been noticing an unwanted element getting progressively more prominent in Tinley Park. It's really easy to pick out the people that don't belong. They should be stopped as often as possible. Eventually these unwanted people will realize they aren't welcome and stay in their own towns or go to other towns to rape and pillage. If we citizens and police don't take a stand now our town will look like Oak Forest in no time. When I was a kid Tinley was the place to be and the unwanted element had only made it Kedzie. I want my kids to grow up in the Tinley I knew growing up. I think sheriff Joe Appaio has the right idea. SAVE TINLEY!

It's sad to see Tinley Park falling into decline as the south side of Chicago encroaches further and deeper into the sw suburbs. 159th street looks like hell with empty car dealerships, vacant corners and low-rent retail stores like K-mart and Aldi that attract outsiders introducing all manner of crime. The mini marts have gotten out of control, and have been targets of crime over and over again in just the past year. Low end cell phone stores and dirty fast food restaurants contribute to the ugliness that has set in. TP was a wonderful town once upon a time, but entrenched politicians always let things begin to slip once their own power and cushy retirements have been secured. They appear willing to escape anything that generates revenue, often at the expense of the village's once cozy feel...and safety. It's probably best to infuse the village hall with some new blood come April.

I've traveled to many stares, mostly out west and down south. I've found people in general more polite and they mind their own business and respect others property. There is less violence also. Could it be that everyone can have a gun, as opposed to here, where only the criminals carry guns around? I think so.